successive mayors has not only introduced very tough gun control but has enforced it with excellent police law enforcement, they have had stunning results in reducing the gun murder rate and the gun suicide rate? why can't you just accept that that is a fact and say that actually in chicago, there may be many other issues, one of the issues in chicago is that states around chicago, as you know, like indiana, have very lax gun control? gangsters get in their car, load themselves up, and come back. also it may be that the police enforcement in chicago has been nowhere near as effective has it has been in los angeles in dealing with gangs, and has it has been in new york. these are things you should consider, aren't they? before you dismiss there being no gun problem? >> they most certainly are, and i would submit you the problem of children born without fathers is more acute in places like chicago, detroit, cleveland. and those who commit crimes come from households i mentioned. i interviewed the head of the naacp. i said, as the president of white racism or the absence of black fathers, which p